Your church isn’t supposed to “feed” you

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This is cute. But we aren’t babies.

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I have lame Christiany-sounding excuse fatigue. Here is the latest: “I am leaving this church because it just doesn’t feed me.” Pardon me but your church is not supposed to “feed” you. It probably isn’t your fault, though. You were probably sold this bill of goods by the church that talked you into coming their way the last time you were feeling spiritually bored.

Consider the “feedlot” model: We pick a church, like we pick a restaurant…one that dishes up what we like and are in the mood for on a steaming plate set before us. Then we sit in judgment. “That was good this week.” Or perhaps, “That sermon was a little mushy, and cold…like overcooked broccoli, pastor.” We tip if the service was good and expect to go home full.

Yes, I do know the term “pastor” is the Greek word for “shepherd,” but shepherds protect sheep. Sheep eat for themselves. Besides, the Lord is our shepherd, not your pastor. Your pastor is a human not the Holy Spirit.

There is a legitimate role for pastors. It is found in Ephesians 4. Pastors have been given their gifts “ to equip the saints for the work of ministry.”

Consider God’s purpose in the giving of all of these gifted “apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds and teachers”: It was EQUIPPING YOU  “for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.”  Rather than being passive recipients of a meal, this is a picture of a community sharing its gifts with one another as it engages in mission.

The early Christians had a love that “compelled” them into the world in invitation and self-emptying service (2 Cor. 5:13-15).  Please don’t bail out on your church because it doesn’t passively “feed” you. The church isn’t supposed to be a restaurant with waiters that pre-chew our food and dribble it into us like the SNL soft-teeth skit. It is supposed to be culinary school. Think about what culinary school gives someone: tools, knowledge, practice, confidence and helps you find a job cooking in the real world. Both visions of the church will change you: One will make you fat and passive. The other will change both you and the world as you serve it, adding flavor and taste to those around you.

So before you put a grotesque and distorted burden on your church, ask yourself how discipleship happened historically. Hint, it wasn’t sitting in a class memorizing gospel presentations or Bible verses on overcoming temptation. It was life on life: walking with Jesus. The disciples hung out around the fire with the Master for three years as he prayed, taught, modeled, questioned, healed, demonstrated, prayed some more and finally sent them to…”go make disciples” and to “obey all I have commanded.” Every bit of this was active.

This is possibly a very different model from your church. If your church is using you as a passive recipient of the staff’s teaching, doing all of the evangelism themselves and merely using you as an “inviter” and the sanctuary as an evangelism platform, then perhaps you might want to ask them to STOP feeding you! Ask them instead to start equipping YOU and the rest of the church to “do the work of ministry.”

So stop asking your church to feed you. Ask them to equip you.

If you like this you might like: The Church is Christ’s bride. Not his baby mama.

or: The church isnt a restaurant its culinary school

51 thoughts on “Your church isn’t supposed to “feed” you

  1. This is a very true blog post. We pew-dwellers do need to have our own sense of responsibility for our own feeding. But I think there is a legitimacy about “not being fed,” and that is what you sense that you’re “not being fed ENOUGH” or what you’re being fed is dreck or just plain not right or true. Christians who clamor for good spiritual nutrition will know when the body is lacking, and, if they’re unable to help effect change they will move on. I have had to do that, sadly, but namby-pamby equipping; non-stringent, uninformed, bored teaching; and pollyannish preaching will do that to some folks. And about that matter of preaching: It’s not about equipping, really, but about proclaiming — or perhaps feeding, since it is a means of grace — law and gospel. It, along with the Sacrament of the Altar, really is the most important feeding of all. So I think there is some small truth to be heard when someone says, “I wasn’t being fed.” Maybe it was more than an excuse. It was for me. My humble $0.03.

    • Hi John,
      And a very good $0.03 it is! I changed churches on more than one occasion. That is a post to myself as much as anyone else. :-)

      It is difficult, especially if one is sitting under the teaching of one who has lost their faith. On one hand it is the Donatist matter all over again. On the other, there is the travesty of moralism and partisan politics in the pulpit.

      Thanks for putting in your 2 cents + 1.

  2. I don’t think “church hopping” was an option for the early Jew and their temple. We can read the issues of not so on fire priests and it wasn’t every other service fire came down from Heaven.. For me it comes down to more prayer, and more stillness before the Lord. A dry place to enter when you’re spent; but discipline, insight, and answered prayer are the fruit of waiting and a layperson’s calling. Church, or life; begins on the inside.

  3. In my historical and theological studies, there is nothing to say that first and second century believers didn’t gather to be fed, spiritually and physically, or that they tried out other gatherings. Yes, yes, they were also out in the world (according to the canonical epistles and the extra-biblical accounts), but they were encouraged to meet together often to love one another and learn about God the Father, His Son, and the Holy Spirit from the Apostles (and later their pupils, the Church Fathers). While I appreciate the sentiment that you are going for in the article, I am afraid that you have pushed the concept beyond the evidence. The first century church was more balanced than today’s church culture, that is for sure, but the people that gathered in the first days of Christianity, often did so for protection and reparative reasons–evil, satanic society too often was trying to destroy the Way. So, yes, be in the world but not of the world, don’t treat church like a supermarket or fast-food diner, but as David states in the Bible in Psalm 16,

    ‘Protect me, Lord God! I run to you for safety, and I have said, “Only you are my Lord! Every good thing I have is a gift from you.” Your people are wonderful, and they make me happy, but worshipers of other gods will have much sorrow. I refuse to offer sacrifices of blood to those gods or worship in their name. You, Lord, are all I want! You are my choice, and you keep me safe. You make my life pleasant, and my future is bright. I praise you, Lord, for being my guide. Even in the darkest night, your teachings fill my mind. I will always look to you, as you stand beside me and protect me from fear. With all my heart, I will celebrate, and I can safely rest. I am your chosen one. You won’t leave me in the grave or let my body decay. You have shown me the path to life, and you make me glad by being near to me. Sitting at your right side, I will always be joyful.’

    • Amen to the good Doctor! Or, in the words of Blazing Saddles, “Hurrumphs all around!”

      Wouldn’t you agree though that the model in the early church (both canonically and in the Fathers) does seem to be much more participatory and Eucharistic? Feeding was through Sacrament, and teaching and mentoring for equipping for service. The church seemed to be walking together in life-on-life mentoring relationships-the book of Acts is a potpourri of examples of Christians together in the world doing evangelism “daily.”

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  5. Yes, definitely I’d agree that we shouldn’t leave a church because it’s not ‘feeding me.’ But if it’s not equipping, challenging, helping you grow in faith, then either help the church change or change churches. And more, if it’s a spiritually deadening place, where you are more pushed away from than drawn into the Holy Fire, then run as fast as you can.

  6. Hey Matt, I’ve thought about this a bit and think I should follow your lead in my response: My friend Matt Marino, who has many helpful things to say, is wrong.about this one. Very wrong. Few things are clearer in the story than our responsibility to feed the sheep (I know, the metaphor is not complimentary). The question is not whether we are to feed our members, but rather why, what, and how. If we feed them on consumerism, we get the fruits of that. If we feed them on discipleship, we get the fruits of that. Remember Mr. Miagi’s dictum, “No bad student, Danielson, only bad teacher.” This is a complex topic with many layers, whys and wherefores. Nonetheless, in the end we ARE the servants called to teach, preach, disciple, and mentor, i.e. “feed.” I think we do better by looking up and saying something like, “Wow, we’ve mentored a generation of consumers rather than disciples and servants.” We’ve taught them (“fed” them) to think they’re supposed to grade us rather than join us as servants … etc. It’s a matter of leadership not followership. There’s no escape. We all need leaders, servants, mentors, disciplers. Those of us to whom these roles have been entrusted need to look at the fruit of our feeding.

    • Great thoughts, Jim. Thank you for adding your voice to this.

      Your “feed” sounds (and since I know you I can say “looks”) a lot like what I called “life on life mentoring” rather than the passive consumerism of the current model. I am making a turn of the corner into a challenge for discipleship by the church that looks like what Jesus did (walk with people) rather than merely running entertaining programs and having people show up for informational seminars…and I say that as one whose go to gift set is the informational seminar. :-)

      • You know I’m with you in this Matt. The thing is, our Episcopal ethos has ways of doing life-on-life and not ways of doing it. What we do will look nothing like what Jesus did with his disciples. We cannot mimic him. So what can we really, actually do with the various ages and stages of life in our modern Episcopal context? This is a crucial value and vision for our tradition and its future. Thus, how we talk about it, what we say, what images we use and how those images invite people to imagine it, and especially to imagine the possibilities, are all crucial to the change we both want to effect. Seeing that something is wrong and dreaming a new future are comparatively easy. Building the strategy to the new future is the critical and very hard and very fun work. How we talk about it now will limit or expand the possibilities of that strategy. I am boldly excited and enthusiastic about our future. I think we have a great one. Let’s dream and language carefully in ways that will make it easy for our people to see it, to be encouraged by it, and to say yes to the strategy.

        • HI Jim,
          I absolutely know that we are in this together! I am thankful to Jesus for that.

          You have some ideas in mind of what we cannot do that I know not. My thought is that we could each have a group of people that we are walking with who can each have groups they are walking with. Is there something in our ethos and tradition in which that won’t work?

          I actually think that the Anglican tradition of Morning/Evening prayer in which we read, pray and do the Bible together as a community. My thought is that we can find ways to do that (both together physically and online). A friend and I actually spoke on the phone today about this. We are creating a 4 part webpage: Prayers (a link to an out loud, pray along with site), a Read the scripture plan, a series of short snippets on “Living the story” (the story through the Christian year), and 4: an online way to engage with others around the readings of the day.

          Thoughts?

  7. Spot on! Many in the congregation would live gearing this from a voice other than mine. Now, we clergy types need to buckle down on the equipping! Thanks for this.

  8. Lies from the pit of hell!

    When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.” He said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.” He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep.(Jn21)

    All this skubalon about how sheep need to learn to “self-feed” is straight from the devil’s backside!

    • Hello Angry, thank you for taking the time to respond.

      I appreciate that you are quoting Jesus, but Jesus never “fed” the way we are doing it today…Line up in cars and come hear the pablum. Go home and not think about it again.

      Think about what a shepherd did in Jesus’ day. Did a shepherd invite hold grass up to their mouths or lead them to pasture and let them eat?

      When we say today, “I want my church to feed me” it means “give me what I want to hear, what reinforces my already held beliefs.” I am arguing for doing more of what you just did, let people be exposed to Jesus’ actual teaching, in a way that Jesus actually did it: Life-on-life, in the real world.

      So I disagree with you about the devils backside. And I suspect you don’t really think that either, since my rationale is straight from Paul who got it from the Holy Spirit.

      Thanks again. I look forward to continuing dialogue. And I like your tongue in cheek online moniker.

      • If you are feeding your sheep pablum, then your sheep ought to find a church that is faithful.

        This “self-feeder” garbage is originating from false teachers that hate the role of pastor. The sheep come to receive Christ, and it is the church’s commission to give him to them.
        STOP BEATING THE SHEEP FOR ASKING TO BE FED! STOP PRETENDING THEY WANT YOU TO CHEW THEIR FOOD, WHEN THEY ARE ASKING FOR MORE SUBSTANCE, MORE JESUS! They ought to flee from your attitude in droves.
        These days, many false teachers are propagating the idea that Christians coming to church to be fed are overweight, gluttonous, immature (like the baby picture), or otherwise woefully lacking in restraint and maturity. Usually this is so they can preach insipid Christless pep-talks that are incapable of feeding anyone.
        INSTEAD FEED THEM! IF YOU FEED THEM THEY WILL BE EQUIPPED TO DO DO DO ALL THE THINGS YOU’RE TRYING TO BEAT THEM INTO DOING!
        YOUR SHEEP SOUND SKELETAL, ARE THEY ARE IN SPIRITUAL AUSCHWITZ WITH THEIR HIP-BONES SHOWING THROUGH?!?! WHAT THEY NEED ISN’T TO GO BE MORE OBEDIENT, ITS MORE OF GOD’S WORD!
        Instead of playing that you’re the Auschwitz culinary directory, teaching skeletons to prepare their own elaborate feasts, BRING THE FEAST THAT JESUS COMMANDED YOU TO! YOU BE MORE OBEDIENT FIRST. Feed his sheep.

        http://www.letterofmarque.us/2012/10/who-do-pastors-exist-for.html

        • Hmmn “Angry.” You are apparently committed to achieving your name. CAPITALS ARE SHOUTING AND RUDE. You are welcome to engage, but please engage politely.

          I am not sure what has provoked you so. You have evidently not read my blog before, as I blog long and loud on silly antics from pulpits and pastors preaching pablum and moralistic “how to” sermons, rather than teaching the Bible.

          Blessings to you, as you seek Christ.

          • You are echoing the satanic lie that has been making its rounds for the last 5 years that Christians should not expect to be fed God’s word at church. My hostility is because your anti-Biblical advice needs to be shot down before some hapless pastor falls for it.

            You actually had the gall to to tell your parishioners not to ask or expect to be fed. You sound strikingly similar to these men who should not be pastors, because they don’t want to shepherd:
            “If you want to be fed God’s word or have the Bible explained to you then you are a fat lazy Christian and you need to shut up and get to work” – Stephen Furtick

            http://www.alittleleaven.com/2009/12/youre-a-jackass-if-you-want-to-go-deeper-in-gods-word-says-perry-noble.html

            And while you can feign that you’re above the fray of harsh words, your picture of baby food and comments about “chewing” your congregation’s food for them is character assassination of those faithful Christians that are holding pastors accountable to their office by insisting that pastors fulfill Christ’s command to feed the sheep. Shepherds are not called to assassinate the sheep that are asking for the shepherd to perform his vocation.

            Leaving a church that doesn’t feed you is the right thing to do. Leaving a church (or removing the pastor) where the pastor defiantly maintains that its not the pastor’s job to feed the sheep is probably the right the right thing to do as well. Because if that’s the case, the pastor either doesn’t know God’s word, or he knows it, but despises it, and the office he’s been given.

            If you want to equip people, then FEED them. If you don’t want open angry rebuke, then don’t assassinate the character of Christ’s own lambs, asking to be fed as you were called to do.

            • Hello Angry,
              You have obviously never read my blog before. You might check: http://thegospelside.com/2013/08/21/when-did-evangelicals-get-popes/ in which I critique the same things you are.

              You might read more closely. I have not said anywhere that pastors shouldn’t teach the Word of God. I am saying that people’s expectations should be that they become active disciples not passive recipients. I am actively arguing against moralistic preaching and for exposition of the scriptural texts.

              If you want to disagree with me and others that is fine. Just do it politely or I will block you. You can exercise the gift of “be angry and do not sin.” (Eph 4:26)

  9. Jesus is the bread of life. You should Hunger and thirst for Christ. Anyone who is not getting “fed” in church should start to rethink somethings. The truth is you are fed through the intimate relationship with Christ. With that said, I also think you have to take a step back and reassess the church to. Every church I stopped getting fed in I ended up leaving because I discovered they weren’t teaching proper doctrine and were not caring for the poor and the widows. The church can’t feed its flock if its not its self hungering and thirsting for God. False prophets will seem to offer food that is seems filling ands by leave because they want that, so that’s another thought to consider. It’s good to be convicted but let us never stop also being aware of false doctrine and false teaching or lack of caring for the poor and the widows.

    • Hello mrsahoutz.

      I am sitting here reading a fantastic textbook on preaching by Calvin Miller. Interestingly, your comments very closely mirror the outline of the intro and first chapter.

      Blessings to you and thank you for writing.

  10. What about the references to “spiritual food” in the “Our Father” and our Eucharistic Prayers?

    “Take them in remembrance that Christ died for
    you, and feed on him in your hearts by faith,
    with thanksgiving.”

    “Eternal God, heavenly Father,
    you have graciously accepted us as living members
    of your Son our Savior Jesus Christ,
    and you have fed us with spiritual food
    in the Sacrament of his Body and Blood.
    Send us now into the world in peace,
    and grant us strength and courage
    to love and serve you
    with gladness and singleness of heart;
    through Christ our Lord. Amen.”

    BCP p365

    • Hi Laura, Sacrament is true spiritual food, is it not? The feeding the modern church thinks of is moralistic “how to” sermons.

      Jesus told Peter to “feed his sheep.” I still think that what we mean by “feeding” (passive and spoon fed) and what a shepherd did in Jesus’ day were very, very different. For example Peter was told, “Feed my sheep.” (I’m about to be disgusting so read past this point well after lunch, please.) A shepherd led sheep to food and protected the flock while they ate. He didn’t pluck the food, pre-chew the food and then dribble it into their mouths like a robin mother with it’s chicks.

  11. I keep seeing articles like these and wonder what the church and priest are supposed to do. I see my role as a parishioner to assess my talents and use them as a gift to my church, my community or where ever I am called. There was a time when I went to church I felt inspired, uplifted, challenged or called. Lately most of things I no longer feel. I do continue to feel called to do things and follow through with those things.

    I remember talking with our current priest and telling her how important that I believed just being with some during a difficult time is. She seemed to not really understand. Several months later she went to funeral of one of the parishioners parents and came back very excited. She said, “that ministry of presence really works. The church member told me how much it meant that I was there.” She was really excited but I really don’t see her transferring that learning to other things.

    Sermons and homilies are read………poorly. Frequently cannot pronounce words that she has written.

    Taking Eucharist to the homebound rarely happens.

    These are just a few of things. Please tell me what I should expect because I just don’t know anymore. I feel this church is where I am supposed to be. There are good people there but somehow I don’t see the saints being equipped.

    I know this sounds really negative and normally I am not a negative person. I am just really frustrated.

    • HI Kay,

      God bless you for sticking that out! How is someone not able to pronounce their own words? …And not seeing the Eucharist taken to the homebound is pretty bad.

      I would be quite frustrated if I were you, Kay. All I can say is that you are a gift to your parish and to your priest. I am glad that she saw the power of presence. Perhaps your presence is equipping the priest?

      Blessings to you. You sound like someone who is a gift to their parish.

  12. Hello Fr. Marino! This was a great post and a message I think many college students (especially) need to hear with clarity. I hear the “I’m just not being fed” complaint from time to time, and it really boils down to what they think is appropriate food. I notice the assumption is often that the best “meal” for Sunday morning is in-depth theology on secondary matters. We’ve forgotten the substantive nature of the simple Gospel message applied to all of life along participation in the Sacramental life.

    • Hi Nathan,
      Thank you. You squeezed a ton in a few words: a) secondary issues are not the primary ones. b) the simple Good News of Jesus. And c) Our feeding is Word and Sacrament.

      Thanks for adding your voice!

  13. I said something about self-feeding, so I feel obliged to not only explain myself further but to say that the meaning of the original post was plain to me. Perhaps the mistake was to use the image of “feeding,” but that was unavoidable since the whole case was against people who complain they are not being “fed” and who are demanding, “Feed me!” (Shades of Audrey II.)

    I think it’s clear that the pastor is not freed from the charge to feed his sheep. Also, the Scriptures from beginning to end are replete with feasts and with feasting images and metaphors. The fact that the sheep need to be and must be fed is inescapable. It’s not up for debate. I don’t see the writer denying his call as a pastor. It disturbs me when a called and ordained servant of the Word is accused of shirking his responsibilities as such a servant when it’s plain that he’s not proposing that.

    I stand by my statement that we pew-dwellers need to have more responsibility for our own (spiritual) feeding. By that I mean that we hear the demands of the law and the sweet call of the gospel and see our continuing need to feed on Christ. And so we go to worship with fellow sheep and we are fed with the proclaimed Word and the Word in Body and Blood.

    Now to equipping. I question more and more whether “equipping” and “discipling” are even legitimate functions of Christian worship. I certainly think they are secondary to proclamation of the gospel (from the Scriptures as well as the sermon), praise, prayer, confession of sin, absolution and confession of faith. I’m content to all but leave moralizing and “application” out. But I agree that in the overall plan, the pastor is indeed an equipper because he is the assembly’s prime visionary, the seer of the whole picture, the leader who pushes the program. But not the deliverer of pablum.

    Being no theologian but only a pew-sitter who has heard more than his share of sappy, Chatty Kathy, moralizing, self-congratulatory, aren’t-we-really-neat? sermons, I hope this helps.

    • Hi John,

      Thanks for the well written and thoughtful response. I sit in pews several times a week and preach in one once a week: so I know this from both sides of the pulpit.

      I would question whether or not the purpose of the church building – the worship of the true and living God, I am not seeing evangelism as that being purpose of the church on Sunday morning in Scripture. The body of Christ gathered (for instance in Luke 2:42-47), was for equipping purposes (Apostle’s teaching, fellowship, Breaking of bread and the prayers) in order to equip the ENTIRE (sorry for the caps, I don’t have italics here) body to do evangelism the other 6 1/2 days a week.

      blessings to you as you follow Christ.

  14. If I understand correctly, I’m with you and can “accept” (very humbly) that definition of “equipping.” No evangelism, no-seeker services (and no communing the unbaptized, let alone any other confessional strictures). “Proclamation” means speaking and hearing law and gospel. In that setting it’s primarily for members of the church/fellowship/assembly/community of believers, but by all means let unbelievers and “seekers” come and listen and perhaps hear. I have to compliment my own pastor here, whose sermons are always directed straight to the members of the congregation. And our “altar call”? Each time we approach the Body and Blood with opens hands, confessing, “I need you.” Thanks for letting me spout. ‘Nuff said.

  15. I, for one, think that most churches are “feeding” their people.

    But it is a steady diet of poison (the law – what we should, ought, or must be doing)…and hardly any meat, the gospel of the forgiveness of sins for real live sinners of the highest order.

    Thanks, Matt.

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  17. Hi Matt,
    I think it’s clear what your point is in this post, but that may just be because I’ve heard too many people use this as an excuse for hopping from one church to another. I’m not saying that it’s never a good idea to move churches (for instance, when relocating across the country, or when beginning a ministry within a church that needs your gifting [applies to lay persons as well as clergy]), or that you shouldn’t be fed truth from God’s Word… but then, I don’t think you’re saying those things either.
    What I’ve noticed is that often the ones who constantly move from one church to another because they’re “not being fed” are likely not actively engaging in the church community, and using their gifts to help the church as a whole… it may not be intentional, they may just be so focused on what they’re not receiving that they forget that as part of the body, they have something to give, too. The issue may be that people are looking to receive from people what they ought to be accepting from God – their acceptance, self-worth, and purpose, etc. When they show up and people don’t recognize their talents and gifts right away, or notice them enough, or perhaps even stroke their ego, they begin to find fault and decide to move on from a “dead” church, that’s not “feeding” them.
    Which appetite are people trying to feed at church? The appetite for more of God and His Word? Or the appetite for recognition and self-worth? Jesus taught that if we want to gain our life, we ought to lose it, and that the most important ought to be the servant of all. He gives us our worth in what He did for us when He died and rose again, so we shouldn’t need other people to give us our worth.
    The real question is has God called us to be a part of His body? The answer of course is yes. We cannot be constantly disconnecting ourselves from the body and expect to suffer no ill effects. My thought is, if my church is “dead”, what can I do to bring life? If “people” aren’t doing what I think the church should be doing, maybe I’m supposed to plug in, start doing it and encouraging others to. If my pastor doesn’t recognize what a great person I am, maybe my focus needs to be on how great Jesus is instead… my pastor can’t add to or take away from the great worth that Jesus inherently placed in me, so I have to get past that point.
    That being said, I have a great pastor who preaches the truth from God’s Word, and I believe I’m being fed… I think the point I’m trying to make overall is that in a body, in order for a part of the body to receive nutrients, it has to be connected to the rest of the body.
    I hope my long-winded response ended up making sense. I watched a great video on youtube recently of a sermon by Todd White… one thing I really thought hit the nail on the head was when he said, “Sometimes we’re looking to gain something from people that we can only gain from God. ….and if you live in a place to get honor from people you’ll go from church to church to church to try to be loved, not realizing that you’re supposed to just become love, and plug in!”
    Anyway, I hope that helps, rather than hinders, the conversation – I really appreciated your post.

    • Hi Andrew,
      Thanks for the great comments! In this blog I am often preaching to myself. I suspect that I may have been frustrated at some of the things I have said before and been equally frustrated at my unwillingness to be part of the solution.

      Do you have a title of Todd White’s sermon? I’ll try to check it out.

      Thanks for commenting.

  18. The video’s title is ‘Wisconsin Power & Love Friday Morning Todd White’. And I think anyone who’s honest has to preach to themselves first. God bless you!

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